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		<title>By: Psyche</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/tango/what/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Psyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an idea I've encountered a lot, perhaps because I take more classes with 'nuevo' teachers than 'traditional', if you'll excuse the clumsy distinction. The first time I heard it my reponse was also 'What?', having been told before that tango starts at the chest to chest connection. But now it's an idea that I find really helpful, and which keeps me on my axis.

The idea is not that the pelvis moves around on its own, nor that the lead is in the pelvis - the lead is indeed in the chest. The idea is that the centre  / centre of gravity is in the pelvis area, and if so you move that, everything else goes with it. Pablo Inza talks about imagining this point as a little tennis ball inside your pelvis. So you think about moving your centre, and the rest of you naturally goes too - the legs move naturally underneath to just the right point, so you never over or undershoot, and the upper body moves on top of the centre, so is never tilted forward or backwards. Actually, he talks about there being two centres, one in the pelvis and one in the chest, one on top of the other. He also talks about loosening and opening the hip joints, letting the lower centre drop so that you are grounded, while keeping the upper centre's dynamic upwards.

Anyway, my recap hasn't done the theory justice at all, but I thought I'd thrown in my twopennorth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an idea I&#8217;ve encountered a lot, perhaps because I take more classes with &#8216;nuevo&#8217; teachers than &#8216;traditional&#8217;, if you&#8217;ll excuse the clumsy distinction. The first time I heard it my reponse was also &#8216;What?&#8217;, having been told before that tango starts at the chest to chest connection. But now it&#8217;s an idea that I find really helpful, and which keeps me on my axis.</p>
<p>The idea is not that the pelvis moves around on its own, nor that the lead is in the pelvis - the lead is indeed in the chest. The idea is that the centre  / centre of gravity is in the pelvis area, and if so you move that, everything else goes with it. Pablo Inza talks about imagining this point as a little tennis ball inside your pelvis. So you think about moving your centre, and the rest of you naturally goes too - the legs move naturally underneath to just the right point, so you never over or undershoot, and the upper body moves on top of the centre, so is never tilted forward or backwards. Actually, he talks about there being two centres, one in the pelvis and one in the chest, one on top of the other. He also talks about loosening and opening the hip joints, letting the lower centre drop so that you are grounded, while keeping the upper centre&#8217;s dynamic upwards.</p>
<p>Anyway, my recap hasn&#8217;t done the theory justice at all, but I thought I&#8217;d thrown in my twopennorth!</p>
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		<title>By: tinatangos</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/tango/what/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>tinatangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria &#38; Fluvial - yeah it's extreme but hey - respect is respect. And if you feel you're not getting it, it's good to remove yourself from the situation. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria &amp; Fluvial - yeah it&#8217;s extreme but hey - respect is respect. And if you feel you&#8217;re not getting it, it&#8217;s good to remove yourself from the situation. <img src='http://tinatangos.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fluvial, I know the feeling. Leaving a dance in the middle of the song is an extreme act! Firmly enforcing the open frame, even repeatedly, usually works and sends a message. I have been known to slap men (for some reason it's never taken as an offense, must have to do with the "hot passion" associated with salsa). Just follow your instincts. I think a lot of guys who come out for merengue don't really know how to dance because the steps are so easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fluvial, I know the feeling. Leaving a dance in the middle of the song is an extreme act! Firmly enforcing the open frame, even repeatedly, usually works and sends a message. I have been known to slap men (for some reason it&#8217;s never taken as an offense, must have to do with the &#8220;hot passion&#8221; associated with salsa). Just follow your instincts. I think a lot of guys who come out for merengue don&#8217;t really know how to dance because the steps are so easy.</p>
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		<title>By: tinatangos</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinatangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night at practica I was thinking about my pelvis and what it was doing.  I can't say exactly what, but I could definitely tell that it is engaged, even when I dance "apilado".

The human body is amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night at practica I was thinking about my pelvis and what it was doing.  I can&#8217;t say exactly what, but I could definitely tell that it is engaged, even when I dance &#8220;apilado&#8221;.</p>
<p>The human body is amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: radmilasuggests</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/tango/what/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>radmilasuggests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, i just stood in front of a mirror and analyzed what i think i do when i dance: i move my pelvis a little forward until i feel the back of my thighs pressing down into my heels.  then i bring my body forward until i feel the balls of my feet pressing into the ground.  and then i bend my knees so the pelvis and hips are lower and my shoulders are very close to being in the same line as my hips.

of course what i really do varies and i don't really think about it as long as it feels good.

i have stiffness when someone leads a volcada and for one reason or another my lower back takes the hit.  i imagine when this happens my pelvis is way back.  or sometimes if i dance with leads who are a bit taller than me (and there aren't many of them :)) and i feel lazy or tired, i tend to stick my butt out so i am poorly supported with my pelvis and my poor back carries most of the weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, i just stood in front of a mirror and analyzed what i think i do when i dance: i move my pelvis a little forward until i feel the back of my thighs pressing down into my heels.  then i bring my body forward until i feel the balls of my feet pressing into the ground.  and then i bend my knees so the pelvis and hips are lower and my shoulders are very close to being in the same line as my hips.</p>
<p>of course what i really do varies and i don&#8217;t really think about it as long as it feels good.</p>
<p>i have stiffness when someone leads a volcada and for one reason or another my lower back takes the hit.  i imagine when this happens my pelvis is way back.  or sometimes if i dance with leads who are a bit taller than me (and there aren&#8217;t many of them :)) and i feel lazy or tired, i tend to stick my butt out so i am poorly supported with my pelvis and my poor back carries most of the weight.</p>
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		<title>By: fluvial</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a good point.  I was completely disgusted but felt obligated the finish the song.   I think I'll sit those out until I figure out how to actually dance them and will be better to tell what's dancing and what's not.

Thanks for the advice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point.  I was completely disgusted but felt obligated the finish the song.   I think I&#8217;ll sit those out until I figure out how to actually dance them and will be better to tell what&#8217;s dancing and what&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fluvial, if someone is leading with their pelvis in salsa or merengue they are taking advantage of you or do not know how to dance. I will push someone away quite firmly if they try to make contact in the nether regions. There is certainly a lot of pelvic movement, but the pelvis should not come into contact with one's partner. The lead in salsa comes from the hands/arms (which should radiate out from one's core). At most, there may be some knee-to-knee contact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fluvial, if someone is leading with their pelvis in salsa or merengue they are taking advantage of you or do not know how to dance. I will push someone away quite firmly if they try to make contact in the nether regions. There is certainly a lot of pelvic movement, but the pelvis should not come into contact with one&#8217;s partner. The lead in salsa comes from the hands/arms (which should radiate out from one&#8217;s core). At most, there may be some knee-to-knee contact.</p>
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		<title>By: fluvial</title>
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		<dc:creator>fluvial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the problem though, if the follow is leading from the pelvis and the lead is leading from the chest....you get the idea.  Was this an only-female class or was she implying that BOTH dancers should lead from the pelvis.

Either way, I went out salsa dancing last night and let me tell you, everyone leads with their pelvis (and something else) during the merrengue and it's just gross.  I have now learned to sit those dances out.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the problem though, if the follow is leading from the pelvis and the lead is leading from the chest&#8230;.you get the idea.  Was this an only-female class or was she implying that BOTH dancers should lead from the pelvis.</p>
<p>Either way, I went out salsa dancing last night and let me tell you, everyone leads with their pelvis (and something else) during the merrengue and it&#8217;s just gross.  I have now learned to sit those dances out.  <img src='http://tinatangos.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: tinatangos</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinatangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franz - I have absolutely no idea. I hope Radmila responds again. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franz - I have absolutely no idea. I hope Radmila responds again. <img src='http://tinatangos.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I would have to know if the instructor is a skilled tango dancer.  Core strength benefits the dance when applied to tango movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I would have to know if the instructor is a skilled tango dancer.  Core strength benefits the dance when applied to tango movement.</p>
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