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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article does not represent the point of view of some foreigners; it was conceived and written by staff that belongs to one of the most influential newspapers (or media outlets in general) in the US. Writing (and thinking) about reality is already transforming it. Also, the article has so many oversimplifications, cliches, and historical omissions that it does not allow the reader to make an objective evaluation of the situation (nor is it the author's intention, anyway).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article does not represent the point of view of some foreigners; it was conceived and written by staff that belongs to one of the most influential newspapers (or media outlets in general) in the US. Writing (and thinking) about reality is already transforming it. Also, the article has so many oversimplifications, cliches, and historical omissions that it does not allow the reader to make an objective evaluation of the situation (nor is it the author&#8217;s intention, anyway).<br />
And much more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: radmilasuggests</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>radmilasuggests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Tina that the author's choice of words is crude.  I am also not as optimistic as Anton about believing that things will get better.  I guess "better" is a relative term.  Eastern Europe is in massive debt and it seems to be following the lead of other Western countries in adopting central banking system and creation of fiat money.  The best people can hope for is getting credit which will enslave them economically for the rest of their lives.

I feel particularly bad for people of Argentina because IMF/World Bank kept lending money to the government despite the country’s inability to pay the interest on these loans.  Yet the loans and bigger interest rates kept coming.  In the light of these bigger problems though, I am not sure that the arrival of foreign capital which the article refers to will make a significant impact.  It might cause value of housing to go up which is not an inflation as there was an increase in the actual value. Theoretically speaking, If some of this capital starts making profits it will mean more labor will be needed and the wages will increase which will then leave people with the same amount of purchasing power for the housing they weren't able to afford in the first place.

I really liked the old man in this video.  He has a good attitude towards learning.  Hopefully this can trickle down to younger generations.  We all need to understand the basics of monetary theory, taxation, and some of economic and political history so that we can be better equipped to form our own beliefs and make decisions that will benefit rather than hurt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Tina that the author&#8217;s choice of words is crude.  I am also not as optimistic as Anton about believing that things will get better.  I guess &#8220;better&#8221; is a relative term.  Eastern Europe is in massive debt and it seems to be following the lead of other Western countries in adopting central banking system and creation of fiat money.  The best people can hope for is getting credit which will enslave them economically for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>I feel particularly bad for people of Argentina because IMF/World Bank kept lending money to the government despite the country’s inability to pay the interest on these loans.  Yet the loans and bigger interest rates kept coming.  In the light of these bigger problems though, I am not sure that the arrival of foreign capital which the article refers to will make a significant impact.  It might cause value of housing to go up which is not an inflation as there was an increase in the actual value. Theoretically speaking, If some of this capital starts making profits it will mean more labor will be needed and the wages will increase which will then leave people with the same amount of purchasing power for the housing they weren&#8217;t able to afford in the first place.</p>
<p>I really liked the old man in this video.  He has a good attitude towards learning.  Hopefully this can trickle down to younger generations.  We all need to understand the basics of monetary theory, taxation, and some of economic and political history so that we can be better equipped to form our own beliefs and make decisions that will benefit rather than hurt us.</p>
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		<title>By: tinatangos</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>tinatangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I don't deny that tourism can aid the economy down here, and I don't see anything particularly malicious about wanting to take advantage of a favorable exchange rate, but it's also hard *not* to be insulted when the "journalist" writes things like this:

"Then came the financial crisis of late 2001. The Argentine peso, which was once pegged to the United States dollar, plunged to a low of nearly 4 to 1 in the face of mounting debt and runaway inflation. (It holds steadily today at about 3 to 1.) Overnight, Buenos Aires went from being among the priciest cities to one of the world's great bargain spots."

That last sentence - he words it as if the crisis was a good thing.  Makes me shake my head sadly.  He doesn't get it.

This is not a discount outlet mall, it's a country with real people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I don&#8217;t deny that tourism can aid the economy down here, and I don&#8217;t see anything particularly malicious about wanting to take advantage of a favorable exchange rate, but it&#8217;s also hard *not* to be insulted when the &#8220;journalist&#8221; writes things like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Then came the financial crisis of late 2001. The Argentine peso, which was once pegged to the United States dollar, plunged to a low of nearly 4 to 1 in the face of mounting debt and runaway inflation. (It holds steadily today at about 3 to 1.) Overnight, Buenos Aires went from being among the priciest cities to one of the world&#8217;s great bargain spots.&#8221;</p>
<p>That last sentence - he words it as if the crisis was a good thing.  Makes me shake my head sadly.  He doesn&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>This is not a discount outlet mall, it&#8217;s a country with real people.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Russia when soviet union just broke up, so I know the other side of it, about hyper inflation and about foreigners coming with money thinking they can buy anything, etc.  In the short term, a lot of people will suffer. But I hope things will even out, hopefully sooner and the craze for cheap bohemian life will cool down.  When there is a place as cheap and as nice as Buenos Aires, it will attract all sorts of foreigners looking for a sweet spot, there is no way to avoid it unless of course you close borders.  I would be surprised if such article was not written and I am sure we'll see more.  I was in Prague in the 1990s (like mentioned in the article) and it is a good comparison.  It was also cheap and beautiful and there were scores of Europeans with money coming for real estate, for cheap bohemian life, for cheap food, for girls, etc. And look at the Prague today.  It is still beautiful, it is still Prague, life is much better and yes locals do not live in the center any more, but do many locals live on Champs Elysees? Former Soviet republics of Estonia and Latvia also come to mind, there were similar developments. Also Poland.

So maybe I am just not sensitive enough, but even after being on the other side of it, I do not see what is so insilting about the article when it just represents a point of view of some foreigners. You probably do not like this point of view, but it exists. I know people who think just like this and criticising the article will not change anything. In the grand scheme, there are places in the world where a similar problem is much much worse then in Buenos Aires, like Thailand... and unlike Buenos Aires, there is no chance that anything will change anytime soon there, sadly.

But in Buenos Aires... the road is not easy, but things will change for the better.  Perhaps not as quick as some Eastern European countries in the 90s, but it will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Russia when soviet union just broke up, so I know the other side of it, about hyper inflation and about foreigners coming with money thinking they can buy anything, etc.  In the short term, a lot of people will suffer. But I hope things will even out, hopefully sooner and the craze for cheap bohemian life will cool down.  When there is a place as cheap and as nice as Buenos Aires, it will attract all sorts of foreigners looking for a sweet spot, there is no way to avoid it unless of course you close borders.  I would be surprised if such article was not written and I am sure we&#8217;ll see more.  I was in Prague in the 1990s (like mentioned in the article) and it is a good comparison.  It was also cheap and beautiful and there were scores of Europeans with money coming for real estate, for cheap bohemian life, for cheap food, for girls, etc. And look at the Prague today.  It is still beautiful, it is still Prague, life is much better and yes locals do not live in the center any more, but do many locals live on Champs Elysees? Former Soviet republics of Estonia and Latvia also come to mind, there were similar developments. Also Poland.</p>
<p>So maybe I am just not sensitive enough, but even after being on the other side of it, I do not see what is so insilting about the article when it just represents a point of view of some foreigners. You probably do not like this point of view, but it exists. I know people who think just like this and criticising the article will not change anything. In the grand scheme, there are places in the world where a similar problem is much much worse then in Buenos Aires, like Thailand&#8230; and unlike Buenos Aires, there is no chance that anything will change anytime soon there, sadly.</p>
<p>But in Buenos Aires&#8230; the road is not easy, but things will change for the better.  Perhaps not as quick as some Eastern European countries in the 90s, but it will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanguera</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanguera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheezzzzz... Surely, how obnoxious and annoying. I'm not sure what's worst: the erroneous representation of what's going on in different neighborhoods of the city (house prices supposedly climbing because of the tourists) or the fact that whatever facts should have been in the article about Argentina's economic reality are so out of date. One just needs to look at basic economic data--inflation rates--to know they are climbing up fast; even worse: there has been a whole debate going on in the country *for many months now*, on whether the authorities are actually publishing accurate inflation data (many analysts believe it is understated)... so that idiot author didn't even get the basics right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheezzzzz&#8230; Surely, how obnoxious and annoying. I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s worst: the erroneous representation of what&#8217;s going on in different neighborhoods of the city (house prices supposedly climbing because of the tourists) or the fact that whatever facts should have been in the article about Argentina&#8217;s economic reality are so out of date. One just needs to look at basic economic data&#8211;inflation rates&#8211;to know they are climbing up fast; even worse: there has been a whole debate going on in the country *for many months now*, on whether the authorities are actually publishing accurate inflation data (many analysts believe it is understated)&#8230; so that idiot author didn&#8217;t even get the basics right.</p>
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		<title>By: elizabeth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Tina you know how I feel about it. My heart goes out to the people there, they don't have an easy road.
The end of the NYT article especially irks me, the "suggested places to stay".  did you see the prices? Who are these people?  Oh well.  Sad for them, they will never know the Argentina we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Tina you know how I feel about it. My heart goes out to the people there, they don&#8217;t have an easy road.<br />
The end of the NYT article especially irks me, the &#8220;suggested places to stay&#8221;.  did you see the prices? Who are these people?  Oh well.  Sad for them, they will never know the Argentina we know.</p>
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		<title>By: miss tango</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>miss tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me two days to think about what to write, rewriting many times. There have been many silly articles, but this one I found to be particularly insulting, probably because there were so many inaccuracies within the article itself, that I know Denny Lee did not do his homework.

Also to see our paychecks get eaten up by 30% inflation or more in one year, really really makes me ill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me two days to think about what to write, rewriting many times. There have been many silly articles, but this one I found to be particularly insulting, probably because there were so many inaccuracies within the article itself, that I know Denny Lee did not do his homework.</p>
<p>Also to see our paychecks get eaten up by 30% inflation or more in one year, really really makes me ill!</p>
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		<title>By: tinatangos</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-900</link>
		<dc:creator>tinatangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah - Yeah, I think that most of us (in the realm of this blog anyway) who have been here, have not seen at all what that article depicts.  Maybe it's because we dance Tango, or maybe it's because we're the sort of people who are after more than the "cheap party" scene - we're the people who search to understand a place from a deeper perspective. We are fortunate in that regard, aren't we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah - Yeah, I think that most of us (in the realm of this blog anyway) who have been here, have not seen at all what that article depicts.  Maybe it&#8217;s because we dance Tango, or maybe it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re the sort of people who are after more than the &#8220;cheap party&#8221; scene - we&#8217;re the people who search to understand a place from a deeper perspective. We are fortunate in that regard, aren&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/the-nyt-article/#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT article made Buenos Aires sound awful, taken over by obnoxious arty foreigners taking advantage of a poor old lady. It was not at all describing the Buenos Aires that I saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT article made Buenos Aires sound awful, taken over by obnoxious arty foreigners taking advantage of a poor old lady. It was not at all describing the Buenos Aires that I saw.</p>
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