Comments on: Tango is… que se yo http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:50:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Let’s reiterate something. « siguiendo mi corazón http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-129 Let’s reiterate something. « siguiendo mi corazón Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:14:03 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-129 [...] Why do I have a preference for dancing with the men of Buenos Aires? It’s not because they know fancy steps that they learned from a well-known teacher, and it’s not because they lead perfect turns. It’s because they dance WITH ME. They’re not dancing with me to see how well I follow, to test me, to show off, to see if I’m good enough - they are dancing with me to dance with me. They find me, they find where I am in the music, they somehow magically understand where my center of gravity is and take good care of me on the dance floor. This, my friends, does NOT come from countless private lessons with Javier Rodriguez. In my opinion, it comes from something else. [...] […] Why do I have a preference for dancing with the men of Buenos Aires? It’s not because they know fancy steps that they learned from a well-known teacher, and it’s not because they lead perfect turns. It’s because they dance WITH ME. They’re not dancing with me to see how well I follow, to test me, to show off, to see if I’m good enough - they are dancing with me to dance with me. They find me, they find where I am in the music, they somehow magically understand where my center of gravity is and take good care of me on the dance floor. This, my friends, does NOT come from countless private lessons with Javier Rodriguez. In my opinion, it comes from something else. […]

]]> By: tinatangos http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-135 tinatangos Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:25:36 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-135 What a beautiful comment, nuit! Thank you for writing. Though it sounds to me like you've found Tango... the ghost. (Not that I'm the ultimate judge of knowing such things, but I am guessing this.)... I bet if you get down to Buenos Aires you'll never want to come back! ;-) Regarding Venice - The good news is that Venice is no longer 'sinking' (at least that's what I read in the news in Italy)... it's something to do with boat traffic, etc... and um... yeah. Anyway - thanks for commenting! What a beautiful comment, nuit! Thank you for writing. Though it sounds to me like you’ve found Tango… the ghost. (Not that I’m the ultimate judge of knowing such things, but I am guessing this.)… I bet if you get down to Buenos Aires you’ll never want to come back! ;-)
Regarding Venice - The good news is that Venice is no longer ’sinking’ (at least that’s what I read in the news in Italy)… it’s something to do with boat traffic, etc… and um… yeah. Anyway - thanks for commenting!

]]> By: La Nuit Blanche http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-132 La Nuit Blanche Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:36:28 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-132 hello tina, thank you for this amazing post. i agree with you wholeheartedly. i have never been to buenos aires. but i want to go there. i will search for the true essence of tango with passion, and maybe someday i'll find it in argentina, maybe i'll see glimpses of it here in new york... as i sometimes think i do. i think it's important to remember that we're all blessed to live in a world where the tango is a living dance, and its birthplace can be found on a map. there are so many beautiful things that have disappeared from the world, so many cities that have been destroyed through time. venice very soon, and recently new orleans... buenos aires is still here, and i am so thankful for that! kisses from nyc, nuit. hello tina,

thank you for this amazing post. i agree with you wholeheartedly. i have never been to buenos aires. but i want to go there. i will search for the true essence of tango with passion, and maybe someday i’ll find it in argentina, maybe i’ll see glimpses of it here in new york… as i sometimes think i do.

i think it’s important to remember that we’re all blessed to live in a world where the tango is a living dance, and its birthplace can be found on a map. there are so many beautiful things that have disappeared from the world, so many cities that have been destroyed through time. venice very soon, and recently new orleans…

buenos aires is still here, and i am so thankful for that!

kisses from nyc,
nuit.

]]> By: tinatangos http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-121 tinatangos Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:00:34 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-121 Hey look, it’s Gregory! Hi Gregory. I should add on to that by saying that simply going to Buenos Aires is not going to inflict a person overnight with the sudden understanding of Tango. That would be nice and I’d be sending a lot of people down there were that the case, but it requires understanding (and embracing) of not only tragedy and loss (among many other emotions and experiences) but also willingness to break down personal barriers. Ah, the tangled web of Tango. If one remains open, I maintain that it can be most enriched by experiencing Buenos Aires and learning the history and the people and their culture and their experiences. (That said, a guy doesn’t have to have Buenos Aires on their travel resume in order to dance with me. Sensitivity to our connection is usually my big requirement.) But back to the concept Tango. It’s kind of like my Italian - my ability to speak Italian was made so much richer by having lived there - and not because I got to speak Italian all the time (though it helped) but because there were certain cultural things that make the language what it is. No verb conjugation or grammar book could possibly teach me to really truly understand Italian language beyond being able to converse - the culture taught me to truly communicate in Italian. And there are certain cultural things that make Tango what it is. Hey look, it’s Gregory! Hi Gregory.
I should add on to that by saying that simply going to Buenos Aires is not going to inflict a person overnight with the sudden understanding of Tango. That would be nice and I’d be sending a lot of people down there were that the case, but it requires understanding (and embracing) of not only tragedy and loss (among many other emotions and experiences) but also willingness to break down personal barriers. Ah, the tangled web of Tango.
If one remains open, I maintain that it can be most enriched by experiencing Buenos Aires and learning the history and the people and their culture and their experiences.
(That said, a guy doesn’t have to have Buenos Aires on their travel resume in order to dance with me. Sensitivity to our connection is usually my big requirement.)
But back to the concept Tango. It’s kind of like my Italian - my ability to speak Italian was made so much richer by having lived there - and not because I got to speak Italian all the time (though it helped) but because there were certain cultural things that make the language what it is. No verb conjugation or grammar book could possibly teach me to really truly understand Italian language beyond being able to converse - the culture taught me to truly communicate in Italian. And there are certain cultural things that make Tango what it is.

]]> By: Gregory Phillips http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-122 Gregory Phillips Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:09:50 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-122 I agree that tango is so much more than dance and music and poetry. It is really a state of mind and an emotion that some people know and that others (some of whom even dance) will never comprehend. But the true spirit of tango is not limited to Buenos Aires, and there are those who "get" it without having ever been there. It requires some understanding of tragedy and loss, and the ability to embrace those things in your life. I agree that tango is so much more than dance and music and poetry. It is really a state of mind and an emotion that some people know and that others (some of whom even dance) will never comprehend. But the true spirit of tango is not limited to Buenos Aires, and there are those who “get” it without having ever been there. It requires some understanding of tragedy and loss, and the ability to embrace those things in your life.

]]> By: miss tango http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-124 miss tango Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:01:32 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-124 Sadly....I haven´t had a Gancia since we had one... or more together! Sadly….I haven´t had a Gancia since we had one… or more together!

]]> By: Tanguillo http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-119 Tanguillo Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:23:12 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-119 Tango Cherie: I will not argue with you... you seems a lot more salsera than me :-) . When I live in Miami people (even cubans!) told me that Salsa was from Puerto Rico, but now, I dont know. It seems more your field than mine! Bruno: I will like to add that to be able to create your own style in Tango (or in other dance or in music) you have to know the roots and essence of it (I mean, to do it in the right way). Is not that you have to dance like argentinian, but you have to know how argentinian dance. Is the same with fado, im sure. If i never listen a fado played by portuguese people, If I dont know how fado really sounds, well, something is gonna miss in my fado music. Saludos Tango Cherie: I will not argue with you… you seems a lot more salsera than me :-) . When I live in Miami people (even cubans!) told me that Salsa was from Puerto Rico, but now, I dont know. It seems more your field than mine!

Bruno: I will like to add that to be able to create your own style in Tango (or in other dance or in music) you have to know the roots and essence of it (I mean, to do it in the right way). Is not that you have to dance like argentinian, but you have to know how argentinian dance.
Is the same with fado, im sure. If i never listen a fado played by portuguese people, If I dont know how fado really sounds, well, something is gonna miss in my fado music.
Saludos

]]> By: Bruno http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-118 Bruno Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:56:29 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-118 Tina, Great answer and I'm glad you are not trying to become someone else! :-) btw, nice mix of countries running in your blood :) b Tina,

Great answer and I’m glad you are not trying to become someone else! :-)
btw, nice mix of countries running in your blood :)
b

]]> By: tinatangos http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-117 tinatangos Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:28:18 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-117 Bruno - I’m so glad you commented, your words are very well taken. For the record, by the way, I love Fado... I had a Portuguese friend in Italy who shared some of his favorite artists with me and it’s just such beautiful music. I hope to make it there someday. I’d like to respond to something you said - “Absorb all that culture and then make your own journey!” Absolutely. That’s the story of my life. I try everything out and really just do what feels right for me personally. However, I also want to respond to what you said about trying to become Argentine. I feel the need to clarify that I am not trying to become an Argentine. I’m Tina, no matter where I am. I may reinvent aspects of myself to adapt to different surroundings, but I’m still Tina, heart and soul. I don’t want to be Argentine. I love my Argentine boyfriend, and I love Argentina, but don’t want to become Argentine. I experience my own tango but it is further enhanced and better understood and made more true because I have gone to the origins of Tango and breathed Tango in it’s most pure form. In my opinion, my Tango was not really Tango until I went to Buenos Aires and really consumed Tango. I still maintain that Tango is best understood when you go to Buenos Aires. You are right when you say it would be sad not to experience your own tango, but in my opinion I would be even more sad to live in a bubble, never having experienced the birthplace of my beloved Tango, never having learned it from the perspective of the people who have lived it. I relate to Argentines in certain ways culturally because I am part Italian (by blood and soon by citizenship) and have been living in Italy until recently. So I do have a bias towards Argentines. But I have never wanted to BE Argentine. That’s just not possible. I’m me. And this blog is called tinatangos for a reason. Please keep reading and commenting, I appreciate it a lot! Miss Tango - Very true - there are special souls who have it in their veins….for example, you’re not BsAs born but you definitely have Tango running through your veins. Well, that and Gancia. It’s fabulous. Bruno - I’m so glad you commented, your words are very well taken. For the record, by the way, I love Fado… I had a Portuguese friend in Italy who shared some of his favorite artists with me and it’s just such beautiful music. I hope to make it there someday.
I’d like to respond to something you said - “Absorb all that culture and then make your own journey!” Absolutely. That’s the story of my life. I try everything out and really just do what feels right for me personally.
However, I also want to respond to what you said about trying to become Argentine. I feel the need to clarify that I am not trying to become an Argentine. I’m Tina, no matter where I am. I may reinvent aspects of myself to adapt to different surroundings, but I’m still Tina, heart and soul. I don’t want to be Argentine. I love my Argentine boyfriend, and I love Argentina, but don’t want to become Argentine.
I experience my own tango but it is further enhanced and better understood and made more true because I have gone to the origins of Tango and breathed Tango in it’s most pure form. In my opinion, my Tango was not really Tango until I went to Buenos Aires and really consumed Tango. I still maintain that Tango is best understood when you go to Buenos Aires.
You are right when you say it would be sad not to experience your own tango, but in my opinion I would be even more sad to live in a bubble, never having experienced the birthplace of my beloved Tango, never having learned it from the perspective of the people who have lived it.
I relate to Argentines in certain ways culturally because I am part Italian (by blood and soon by citizenship) and have been living in Italy until recently. So I do have a bias towards Argentines. But I have never wanted to BE Argentine. That’s just not possible. I’m me. And this blog is called tinatangos for a reason.
Please keep reading and commenting, I appreciate it a lot!

Miss Tango - Very true - there are special souls who have it in their veins….for example, you’re not BsAs born but you definitely have Tango running through your veins. Well, that and Gancia. It’s fabulous.

]]> By: La Tanguera http://tinatangos.com/blog/buenos-aires/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-116 La Tanguera Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:09:42 +0000 http://tinatangos.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/tango-is-que-se-yo-viste/#comment-116 Dear Tina, Beautiful post, and very romantic. I loved that... "Tango is the eyes of Mi Amor"... Ohhhh :} (I want a Mi Amor, too!) Dear Tina,

Beautiful post, and very romantic. I loved that… “Tango is the eyes of Mi Amor”…

Ohhhh :} (I want a Mi Amor, too!)

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