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danzarin said in December 2nd, 2007 at 4:42 am

Tina, I have not been to BsAs yet, but this is what I am constantly seeking in every tanda. I am seeking someone to dance with me, not to judge, evaluate, rate, and classify. To enjoy, to appreciate, to understand, to communicate. None of these words might seem at first to have anything to do with giros, or ganchos or salidas, but I really think they are at the heart of all of them. What makes tango tango, is what makes us human. That is why it is so elementary, so primal, so purposeful. That is why it grips us so powerfully.

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Tanguera said in December 3rd, 2007 at 2:26 am

Thanks Tina. So well said. I just love your common sense. Thank you for bringing back some sanity to the BAs blah blah blah, to the misunderstandings, to the unrealistic expectations.

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David said in December 3rd, 2007 at 4:38 am

I think this is a wonderful post.

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La Nuit Blanche said in December 4th, 2007 at 6:10 pm

“Why do I have a preference for dancing with the men of Buenos Aires? It’s not because they know fancy steps that they learned from a well-known teacher, and it’s not because they lead perfect turns. It’s because they dance WITH ME. They’re not dancing with me to see how well I follow, to test me, to show off, to see if I’m good enough – they are dancing with me to dance with me. They find me, they find where I am in the music, they somehow magically understand where my center of gravity is and take good care of me on the dance floor. This, my friends, does NOT come from countless private lessons with (insert hot shot teacher here). In my opinion, it comes from something else.”

once in a while (very very occasionally), i come across someone like this, and i feel i can truly dance with the other person, that this person is meeting me halfway, that this person feels ever so present, in my presence. this is why i dream of the day i will finally go to BsAs, and experience this almost every night. you are so right dear tina — the man doesn’t even need to move, he can just stand there, or just take 3 little steps, and i will love it as long as he can make me feel this way in his embrace. i am beginning to think that tango is not the goal –it is merely a means (of course, a beautiful means) to something else, which is transcendental.

thank you for this amazing post!

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sallycat said in December 4th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

Dear Tina, yes. Yes. YES!
And you have reminded me that I have some bitter experience on this matter. And I am going to write about it very soon.

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Anton said in December 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pm

While I agree with you that porteños can not always afford private lessons with World-star teachers like Julio & Corina (who even in Buenos Aires charge an American price, which is fine because they are so popular and many people travel to Buenos Aires to study with them).

But it is not necessary the case with all lessons. There are MANY good teachers in Buenos Aires who charge very affordable price for group classes in pesos. I even went to some group classes with Chicho and paid like 15 pesos for 2 hour class. The class was taught in Spanish and there were very few foreigners. Such classes are not advertised in English-language ads, because otherwise foreigners would flock them. There are also numerous group lessons in La Viruta that are taught by young by very good dancers and many more. Or Tango Milonguero school by Maria and Suzanna.

So yes, porteños have a lot more options to study tango even with their budget, much more options than us who live US (even taking into account great visiting instructor, festivals and such). And what is no less important, they can go to milongas and watch good dancers and it is very important part of education. People do learn by watching and they get inspiration from seeing good dancers. How often you get inspired watching people in Seattle or anywhere in the US…. not often – you opt for youtube. Well, then porteños do not necessary need youtube, because they can find Julio & Corina at Nino Bien or Tete at El Beso.

The other thing that you say about porteño way of dancing – from the heart – it is very true though. It comes from the love of music, from culture, from watching other people dance like this or from just being porteños. And when I think what made Julio, Javier, etc. such good dancers – I think it is the combinations of cool steps and a porteño way of dancing.

I wish someone would teach a class here “learn to dance like a true porteño” :-) . Of course it is not possible and I am joking, but it is sad when Julio and Corina come to US with workshops and performances and perhaps very few people realize that what they see is more then just a cool sequence of steps executed with good technique. And what we can do to make more people here appreciate tango from the heart… I do not know.

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tinatangos said in December 5th, 2007 at 8:51 am

Hi Anton, first of all, that was nicely said about Julio and Corina.

I’m sure that there are a lot of affordable options for tango-dancing portenos who have a genuine interest in improving technique, etc., but my point is that for a lot of the people I happened to see and meet in the milongas, that side of it just wasn’t as important. The men went to dance WITH THE WOMEN. Not to lead ochos or sacadas as well as they could, but to DANCE. To connect.

People go out dancing to go out dancing, or they go to see friends, meet women, whatever. It’s a social thing, and a cultural thing. In this post I was venting that I think it’s rude for people from other countries to go down there and demand excellence or be insulted if someone happens to not be into taking lessons.

Elizabeth said something really nice in a recent blog entry:

“Life is so full of challenges. How to keep the money coming in, how to be good at our studies, our careers, all of the hoops we have to jump through. Be responsible, do well, achieve. I do want to be “good” at tango, but what does that mean? Some people who have visited Buenos Aires express surprise that everyone there is not a great dancer. Why should they be? They dance for fun, for a night out when they can. It is a way to go on a date, or to find love, or to have a really good time.”

The whole entry is here:
http://elizabethbrinton.blogspot.com/2007/12/other-part-of-tango.html

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miss tango said in December 5th, 2007 at 7:46 pm

Dear Anton,
Yes porteños can find affordable lessons…but the thing is, when it comes to feeding your family right now or taking lessons…food and keeping a roof over your head comes first.

Come try living here for a month on the average wage of 1200 pesos, take lessons, pay your rent, transit food etc….

then please tell me where your priorities would be.

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tinatangos said in December 5th, 2007 at 7:59 pm

That’s precisely it. 1200 pesos a month = US$400 a month. Think of it that way, all you people up here in the States.

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Mirta said in October 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

I am just curious, where does Geraldine teach in Bs As. I am going there this month and for the life of me can’t find where she teaches on the web. thanks!!!

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